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date submitted 14.05.2011
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The Holy Innocents

Fr. Ambrose de Montford Smith

A mad, brave priest defies a modern Church that has a larger collection of invertebrates than the London Zoo.

 

When eccentric Fr. Ambrose is forced out of his parish by the bishop, he continues his ministry as an itinerant in his old Ford Fiesta. He may have lost his marbles, but he hasn’t lost his faith, and he’s determined to save his oddball flock.

There’s Dave the Sacristan, a foul-mouthed muscle man with a tendency to nick potted plants from offices and shops. There’s the young Nigerian woman Rachel, an unwed mother shunned by her family and lumbered with a failing business. There’s transgendered lorry driver Bill, unsure of his calling, and Maggie the whore, his girlfriend. Can God do anything with these people?

Fr. Ambrose believes God can and will. But he’s nuts, right?

 
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My dear sister Agatha had always said I could burn water, but she was wrong. I’d just proved it. Too bad that she never lived to see my success. I’d raided her herbal tea remedy for sleeplessness and was sipping a brew that reminded me of damp autumnal bonfires. She had reserved this particular concoction for insomnia. She always swore by it. “Drink it, Ambrose”, she would tell me. “It won’t kill you.”

She was right, as she often was. It didn’t kill me, and it didn’t kill her. A heart attack had done that only a fortnight previously. How I missed her. She was so practical about things. I am not. We complemented each other well. Over the years, we had been a good team in the parishes where I served as a Priest.

 

Having finished the tea, I went to bed and settled down for the remainder of the night. However, I still couldn’t sleep. I kept turning over in my mind my last few hours with dear Agatha.

That night we had been enjoying a cup of cocoa in the living room of our large Vicarage. Agatha was reading to me various bits and pieces from “The Word”, the diocesan newspaper. For some reason, Agatha never liked the paper, referring to it as “The Turd” – fit only for cleaning up after sloppy and ill-trained household pets, she said. Once, when the editor of “The Word” sent round a survey, Agatha had diligently returned it with a plea for printing it on more absorbent paper. Nothing changed, though. And Agatha, despite her scorn, still never missed going over the diocesan organ with minute scrutiny every time it was published.

On her last night with me, she snorted at the headline: CRACK COVERED, a reference to the recent local meeting of the national church advocacy group for Catholic Ritual And Carnal Knowledge. After a stormy meeting and a close vote, CRACK had decided to discontinue their advocacy of nude liturgy. “I suppose they have to talk about something, now that they have achieved their main objectives of girls at the altar and boys in bed,” Agatha said. “Better they turn against each other over this than pester and persecute the rest of us with their po-faced silliness and heretical agenda.”

I mumbled assent and there was silence for a moment. “Does the Bishop have anything interesting or challenging to say in this issue of the newspaper?” I asked.

“Interesting? Challenging?” she retorted. “Under the headline: GET WET AND GET WITH IT he goes on at length about ‘leading us all in the exploration of the implications of our Baptism within the context of our loving and caring community’. Blah blah blah. If he’s leading an exploration, they’ll only get lost and perish. Ha! He’s the Captain Scott of theological discovery.”

“Will the Bishop be leading us in this exercise by himself?” I asked.

“Oh no,” Agatha replied. “He’s calling together the Canons of the Cathedral Chapter to assist him. That kiss-arse crew of egotistical know-nothings ought to be a big help, I don’t think. Call it a chapter? It’s hardly a paragraph!”

I sighed. Agatha was so gleeful in her scorn. It couldn’t be good for her soul, I had thought. I waited for her next explosion. It wasn’t long in coming. “Jesus wept! Listen to this, Ambrose,” she said. “The Dean is quoted as saying that from now on they will be referring to all readings from the Old Testament at the Cathedral as ‘readings from the Hebrew Scriptures’. He says that he thinks we must all do this as a friendly concession to the Jewish community in these inter-faith times. What rot!

“Well, my dear,” I replied, “It would seem to me to be undeniable that the Old Testament is the Holy Book of the Jewish people.”

“Yes, yes,” she agreed, “But it is also our Holy Book. I don’t trust the Dean. In fact, if he told me it was raining, I wouldn’t believe him until the water was up to my neck. There’s a hidden agenda there, Ambrose. You mark my words!”

“Do you really think so?” I asked.

“Absolutely. When was the last time you heard anyone in the Church Establishment take the Old Testament seriously? It’s too full of wrath, righteousness and rules for them. They’re writing it off as old wives’ tales made redundant by the New Testament. If I were a Jew, I’d be insulted by Christian liberals casting off something that they regard as inferior and don’t want anymore.”

“Maybe so,” I said. “It’s unlikely anyway that any Jews would be present at a service in the Cathedral to hear the Dean’s most gracious gesture toward their sensibilities.”

“Quite. It’s just empty posturing. Typically self-effacing without losing any condescension,” Agatha said, turning to the back page and shifting in her chair. “Oh, here’s something of great interest to us all, I’m sure. The Archdeacon has won another golf tournament. The headline is: OUR CHAPLAIN TO THE HANDICAPPED.”

“Good for him,” I said. “He must be very gratified after all the time he spends playing golf.”

Agatha had snorted and then chuckled wickedly, putting the newspaper down.  “I suppose winning a golf tournament is something of an achievement for someone who doesn’t know his arse from a hole in the ground.”

At this I had burst into laughter, and laughed even louder when Agatha had appeared to mimic the Archdeacon, with her knuckles hanging down to the floor and her face contorted, with a vacant look. She had the Archdeacon down perfectly. I had kept laughing, and it was some minutes before I realised that she had had a sudden, massive and fatal heart attack.

Now, just two weeks later, there I was, sad and sleepless in my bed. How I missed my sister. The wet bonfire tea wasn’t working. Agatha would have known what to do next. I decided to get up, go to my study and read for awhile. Idly scanning my shelves, my eyes lighted upon a history of the Oxford Movement that I hadn’t looked at since my days long ago in theological college. I began to read.

The Oxford Movement began with a courageous sermon against secularism and indifference in 1833 by John Keble. He attracted a number of friends and supporters, including John Henry Newman, and they began publishing tracts that were widely circulated, recalling the Church to her full Catholic spiritual heritage and encouraging the Church to act boldly. It soon developed into a movement that was not only theological and spiritual, but also aesthetic, liturgical and evangelistic. How brave they were! They needed to be, as they faced all kinds of obstacles from within the structures of the Church and the Nation. Rejected and persecuted by the Political and Church Establishment, heroic Priests and lay people took themselves off to the slums in search of the forgotten, and there the Gospel had prevailed. Chief among those heroes was Fr. Mackonochie of St. Alban’s Holborn. But that was a long time ago.

What had happened? Where did it go wrong? I reflected on my own ministry. I considered myself one of their spiritual heirs, an Anglo-Catholic. Why was I so timid and lacklustre and tame?

I decided to get dressed and go for a walk. I thought that perhaps some modest exercise in the cool night air might clear my head and fatigue me sufficiently to settle me down for a sleep.

It was a lovely starlit night, and all the cooler for its dark and beautiful clarity. I regretted not having put on my heavy cloak over my soutane. At least my biretta prevented the warmth from leaving my body through the top of my head. I decided that a brisk walk through a small park nearby would probably be sufficient.  There seemed to be no-one else around.

I was approaching the entrance to the park when a dark figure emerged from behind one of the gate pillars. “Hey! You! Stop right there.”

“Is this a mugging?” I asked. “I’ve never been mugged before. What do I do?”

“Give me your wallet and you won’t get hurt.”

“Hang on a minute,” I said, nervously fumbling through the slit in my robes for my trouser pocket. “Be with you in just a sec. Sorry, but I’m new at this. Have you done many muggings before? I must say, you seem very good at it. Does it pay well?”

“Shut up. Hand it over….. Say, aren’t you a Priest?”

“Well yes”, I said. “I have a biretta.”

“You have a beretta? A handgun? Shit, the Church has really changed since I went to Sunday School!”

“Here it is!” I said. At last having found my wallet, I extracted it from my trouser pocket, but it snagged on the lining of my soutane as my hand came up, presenting the mugger with a bulge under my cassock.

Without another word, the mugger darted back into the shadows and I heard footsteps moving rapidly away. Unaccountably, I felt a sense of inadequacy at my first mugging – the transaction having failed to come to its intended conclusion. Perhaps the poor man would have better luck next time with someone more experienced. What a way to make a living!

I decided to sit for a moment on a park bench, just inside the entrance. I must have dozed off. The tea worked. Good old Agatha. I awoke with a sudden start when I felt someone come to sit beside me. I couldn’t see him clearly, even with the lighting nearby, but I think he must have been my age, although he looked older. He had several layers of tattered clothes on for warmth. There was an old tartan blanket that had seen better days slung over his shoulder. From the look of him, I concluded that he must have been living rough in the park.

“Sorry if I startled you, mate,” he said. “On a long cold night like tonight I thought that maybe you could do with some company and a blanket.” With that, he threw the blanket over our knees. “I don’t suppose you’d have a bottle of something we could share, would you?”

“No, I’m sorry,” I said. “But I do have a large house nearby. Would you like a warm bath and a bed for the night?”

After my guest had had his bath and something warm to eat back at the Vicarage I put him in one of the guest rooms upstairs for the night. Back downstairs I thought to myself that here was someone who might need me almost as much as I had needed Agatha. There must be others like him who need to know that God loves them. I would seek them out. And with that thought, I finally drifted off to sleep in a chair.

 

 

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PTingen wrote 3 days ago

I just finished THI and can't wait to read more. I bumped you up from 5 stars to 6 and will find a place for you on my shelf shortly. Well done!!

Patti

ozhm wrote 20 days ago

This is one of the best I’ve found on autho. It has everything. It’s beautifully written and polished, it’s clever and funny, and at the same time, it delivers a serious punch regarding the disparities so depressingly common between organised religion and Christianity.

In the circumstances, if Fr Ambrose’s innocence, the Bishop’s and Archdeacon’s Machiavellianism and the situations in which they find themselves are slightly over the top (well...more than slightly in some cases), this is a smart move and not a drawback. You won’t get the message across by being subtle.

There are so many things to love, here. The wit, obviously. Agatha’s last conversation with Ambrose made me laugh out loud, and I forced myself to read slowly so that I didn’t miss any one-line gems further on. The MCs are all beautifully three-dimensional (even the Bishop’s third dimension is noticeable by its absence), and the walk-ons all have personality. (I loved the Grace from the waitress in Starbucks.) I’ll be interested to see what happens to Freddy, Mike and Jack.

In contrast to this, Fr Ambrose’s reflections and ministry are seriously impressive. To me, the sermon at the end of Ch28 says it all.

I did notice a few things that might be worth checking. In Ch2, the Bishop and the Archdeacon are at a loss as to how get rid of Fr Ambrose, until the Archdeacon says ‘Suppose we determine that Smith is the problem...’ This solution doesn’t quite ring true to me. I know they’re purveyors of b/s, but even so.

In Ch11 – ‘We got to the Stalinist-style block of flats when two bloated teenage boys...were walking along...’ I think the tenses need attention.

‘...each plant was in a wide variety of containers...’ – spreads one plant through several containers.

Despite the sermon, Molly’s insights in Ch28 seemed a bit too slick to ring completely true. I needed more sense of her growing awareness – or alternatively, an epiphany of the blinding-light variety.

But these nitpicks are minor. Lots of stars from me, and it will be on my shelf as soon as I have room.
Helen Meikle
Six Weeks in Summer.

PTingen wrote 7 days ago

I'm about a third of the way through The Holy Innocents and am greatly enjoying it! I'm not too bothered by the language as that is certainly how many people talk, so it's very realistic. Some of the sexual connotations, while hilarious, might not be as necessary? (But I will admit to laughing out loud at the bird-tits and the "hand-job".) I agree with others' comments that the Fr. is a very interesting mix of naivety and great wisdom. I think you've done an amazing job of making him believable despite those great contrasts. I look forward to reading more!

Blessings!

Patti

earthlover wrote 75 days ago

I read the first 13 chapters.
Although our stories disagree on some levels, what we agree upon is the most important.
the rest? Well we see through a glass darkly.
Such human characters!
Interesting, amusing, entertaining, meaningful read. You had me laughing out loud when he got thrown into the bin, and the guy said something about knocking the shit out of him, and he says, "There's an awful lot of shit." I loved it when he christened his car, named it after a dog, and almost immediately a dog comes by and lifts it's leg on the wheel, a sign from God that "Speirag" was accepted as a name!
I didn't like Father Ambrose's hymn for children, but other than that....
Ambrose seems almost unbelievably naive, but then I think about the college professors I've known and yes, it's believable.
This is a well written narrative about an Anglican priest who tries to live out the gospels from his Ford Fiesta, and succeeds.
I'm going to have to shelve this for awhile.
Georgia
The Woman From E.A.R.L.

earthlover wrote 5 hours ago


A Christian Lit Forum review:

JUST finished "The Holy Innocents" Wonderful read.

I do have a few questions though...
I felt like I wanted to know more about Gladys, the athiest that sees Fr Ambrose at his worst and calls him "grouchy." I wanted for Gladys to see something or sense something that made her stop and wonder. Maybe your point was that Fr Ambrose has his weak moments and in those weak moments souls might be lost forever? Maybe Gladys refuses to see anything supernatural and she gets what she wants?
But I, Georgia, wanted Gladys so see something, some small bit of light that made her stop and think.
I like how Rachel's aunt is portrayed as imperfect, short, wanting to be in control, but in the end, God uses her anyway to do something amazing! The imperfect sinners can be used by God if we are willing. He even uses the sinners as well!
I guess the meaning behind chapter 40 is the Church goes on with business as usual, and yes, Butternut certainly gets what's coming to him. I felt like that was done quite nicely, but I was surprised at how you accomplished it!
Thanks so much for sharing your wonderful story on this forum! God bless you!
Georgia

Joy Eastman wrote 6 hours ago

I have read 4 chapters of the book so far and find it quite charming and extremely well told and entertaining. Not being of the Catholic faith I am not familiar with some of the terms used in your descriptions but still they are delightful.

I could totally envision Fr Ambrose falling into the bushes and letting it all go ( so to speak) Wonderfully done. And the chapter with the Bishop and his wife - positively hilarious. A well written book deserving of 6 stars.
I will keep it on my watchlist and keep reading. Blessings, Joy

KathyJohn wrote 8 hours ago

I have only one complaint. I want this in paper form...I so hate reading on a computer!

Margaret0307 wrote 1 day ago

I have just finished reading a chunk of your book as part of the Christian lit forum which I am intending to join. I am new to authonomy so still feeling my way! I have both positive and negative comments on your book - first the positive. IYou are a very good writer and your style, grammar and phraseology make the book very interesting to read. You were able to keep me interested and i very much enjoyed the more subtle humour - e.g. I don't believe in Mr Dawkins! And then later in the book - 'Pride goeth before destruction' .......I should have known better than to be so pleased with the family service!!

However, I am afraid I did not enjoy the more coarse humour and the bad language and that put me off the book completely. Sorry! I know this is a personal thing but I am sure there will be others like me! Also, I think it may be difficult for some people to relate to some of your humour if they are not 'church' people and are unaware of some of the practices and rituals etc. Having said that I am sure you realise all this anyway!

So, in summary - extremely well written but not really the type of book that I enjoy reading!

Margaret Weston - Author of How do I know I know God?

Jonie M. Julan wrote 1 day ago

Hello! Just read your second chapter yesterday. Your information about the preacher and his situation is brought about naturally through the dialogue of your other characters. This may just be me, but I was confused about the motivation for Agatha's hostility. Was she determined that everyone who addressed her was hypocritcal, and therefore responded with sarcasm? I realize that your work has many qualities of a satire, and judging by the portrayal of the Catholic church and her response to it, I figured this was probably her motivation. I've seen a lot of Christian fiction books on this site that contain profanity, and when I pick up a book from the Christian fiction section in the store, I don't remember ever reading any profane words. I believe that readers of Christian fiction are trying to avoid profanity and some of the humor found in secular literature. I would recommend reconsidering some of your word choices and any jokes related to sexuality. Good luck with this!
Jonie - Leave Me Asking

earthlover wrote 1 day ago

Chapter 33..."He's living proof that Snow White and Dopey were more than just good friends." Of course you got me laughing again, right when the reader needs a laugh to break the tension. Expertly done!
Georgia

jsault2003 wrote 2 days ago

This review of The Holy Innocents is done as part of the Christian Critique and Review Group.
jsault2003

Chapter 1
There is a technical writing rule that needs clarification here. You have used… “Drink it, Ambrose”, … with punctuation outside the quotation marks, as opposed to…“Drink it, Ambrose,” with punctuation placed inside quotation marks. The 15th edition of The Chicago Manual of Style (the industry guide in the United States) indicates that punctuation can fall outside quotation marks, as in this example they have given…Was it Stevenson who said that “the cruelest lies are often told in silence”? It is difficult to determine which standard applies to the quoted dialogue you have used. No matter which standard applies, you would have to be consistent. This consistency should be reflected in the last two sentences of the first paragraph that reads “Drink it, Ambrose”, she would tell me. “It won’t kill you.”

If you would be so inclined, I would love to know the industry guide that you used to make this decision. It would be of great assistance to me.

…where I served as Priest. I prefer…where I served as priest. This would be in regards to rules of the Chicago Manual of Style (15th edition), that being the industry guide for writers in the United States. Our manual prefers “downsized” standards of capitalization. Of course, there may be a different industry manual in your country.

…from “The Word”,…should be…from “The Word,”… In this instance, the comma would definitely fall inside the quotation marks.

Does the Bishop have…Does the bishop have… I will leave it to your discretion as to whether or not you prefer to apply this rule and not mention other occasions where this has occurred.

…loving and caring community’. …loving and caring community.’ I question this in regards to the same rule stated above. Since I’m sure you wilI address this, I see no need to mention it further.

“Will the Bishop…” “Will the bishop…”

…had a sudden, massive and fatal heart attack. …had a sudden, massive, and fatal heart attack. I decided to get up, go to my study and read for awhile. I decided to get up, go to my study, and read for awhile. Items in a series are normally separated by commas.

It was a lovely starlit night,…should be…It was a lovely, starlit night,…as adjoining adjectives are separated by a comma.

I loved the section about the botched mugging.

Chapter 2
But instead here he was, cooped…But instead, here he was cooped up with…

“If Smith had stolen money,” continued the Archdeacon, checking his watch, “We could have…should be…”If Smith had stolen money,” the archdeacon said as he checked his watch, “we could have…

“…have to be somewhere else?” asked the Bishop,…”…have to be somewhere else?” the bishop asked. This is the form attribution normally takes…Jake said…Kathy replied, etc. The modern trend is that when it is clear who is speaking, attribution is dropped. Such is the case when there are only two people talking.

Smith had kept himself to himself for years. Smith had kept to himself for years.

Your criticisms of the church are enlightening and honest, but may not sit will with those who turn a blind eye to what goes on around them. I refer to this type of writing as “the cracked mirror” reflection of society. It is a very needed component of both journalism and writing for publication, but only if it goes beyond the surface to the root of our current problems which is sorely missing in all forms of writing in our societies.

Good job of building tension as the reader wonders what the result of this budding conspiracy will be.

Chapter 3
…the Church is completely on the wrong tack (track).

Agatha once said…Do we not believe that anymore? I found this paragraph to have the most impact of all that you have written to this point. To me, it expresses the theme of the whole novel and contains the most persuasive of all the statements you’ve made so far.

…like that very clever Mr. Dawkins. More exposition may be needed here for those who don’t have the knowledge your background permits. I, for one, had to stop and try to figure out who Mr. Dawkins is or was.

Your story has a leisurely pace that makes it easy to read. There is plenty of clarity as a result of effective dialogue, and even more in the way of character development.

I like the direction the plot is going in as there is continuity between chapters.

If not for the technical writing concerns I have listed, this would be six stars. I think five stars are sufficient before the final version is achieved after line editing. Based on the effect of the “cracked mirror” reflection on the role of the church, and the strength and clarity of your writing, I found a place for this on my shelf.

T'Micah wrote 3 days ago

Call me simple, but the most important aspect of fiction for me is whether I keep turning the pages of the book. And yes, yours is a page turner. You tell a story that is engaging, witty, and bursting with the heart of God. My biggest gripe with your book is that it's not a true story! How I wish it were, but I promise not to hold that against you.

One thing in Chapter 2, has Agatha been dead for six months or one month? Should six months be six weeks perhaps? This was confusing.

And I will echo the concern of some others regarding course language. On the one hand you can't have criminals and the un-churched in your book saying, "Gosh darnit," "What the heck," and everyone's favorite "flip you." But personally, I consider a book my pulpit, and I wouldn't want to write anything in a book that I wouldn't want to say in the pulpit. Even if that pulpit is outside of a corner bar in the inner-city. Been there...

But you have a talent for communicating the heart of God in a way that's palpable to the masses, and that is deserving of many stars...

PTingen wrote 3 days ago

I just finished THI and can't wait to read more. I bumped you up from 5 stars to 6 and will find a place for you on my shelf shortly. Well done!!

Patti

PTingen wrote 3 days ago

Fr. A.,

I'm continuing on enjoying your book. Just read Ch. 23 and absolutely loved it! The line where he tells Maggie that she had value before but just didn't know it and needed to be loved into realizing it was just tremendous!! How sad that so many feel they need to get cleaned up first before they can be acceptable to God. He's already loved them in their filth. I also enjoyed your quote from St. Irenaeus. Our one pastor has that at the bottom of her emails. When (I won't say if) your book gets published, I imagine she would be among the first lining up to get a copy. Your teachings are in complete agreement with what our church believes. Ok - I'm going back to read more.

Blessings!

Patti

Dianna Lanser wrote 4 days ago

Fr. Ambrose, The first of many CLF reviews.

Just a quick stop tonight as I promised. But I will read through to the end with no effort. I can tell this is going to be pure pleasure.

Well, I know what you are doing, and I love it - taking a backdoor look into what’s wrong with the Christian church using irony, beautiful Irony. It’s something we all try to achieve, but no one does it better than you. Although I found your first two chapters teeming with it, here are a couple of my favorites, found in chapter two.

"The Bishop wanted to get back to work on his current project: a neo-Wiccan Liturgy for the Diocesan Youth Festival… He was sure the body painting would be a great hit with the youngsters."

“Too bad Smith isn’t a sexual deviant. Why couldn’t he be a normal Anglo-Catholic?”

“Since then there seemed to be problems everywhere Smith went. He asked embarrassing questions. He left his main contributors to parish funds feeling small by tithing his stipend. He stopped being over attentive to the important people in his congregation. He opened his vicarage to vagrants. He made hospital and home visits. He even quoted scripture…” Brilliant!

Agatha is wonderfully characterized and the perfect protagonist of your cause.

You get your point across without slapping our hands. And while we are slapping our knees in laughter, we are also humbly measuring ourselves against Jesus’ and Father Ambrose’s very right example.

Dianna Lanser
Nothing But The Blood

earthlover wrote 4 days ago

I read through chapter twenty-six tonight. I am glad I took the time to review the chapters I had read months ago, before going on to the new chapters I haven't read. Again, I am struck by the honesty of your characterisations. Anyone reading this book, no matter how crass, would have to consider the love of God...well, it just might be for them! I am in love with this book! And Christians should come to terms with the "realness" of the people around them, accepting and loving them where they are, not sanitizing them because this is a Christian book. This is a book to challenge believers as well.
Sincerly, Georgia

earthlover wrote 5 days ago

I've read through eight chapters of Fr Ambrose's book now, for the second time! It's so meaningful, polished and reads like a book that's already been published. Being an American, I feel like I've been dropped into a different culture. "The Holy Innocents" recognizes that spark of God in all of us, no matter how lost we might be, we still reflect our creator.

THI is filled with characters who are being deceived and are suffering as a result of that deception. Fr Ambrose shows great compassion towards the decieved. The deceivers are both in and out of the church, both spiritual and physical.

It's along the lines of Saint Paul when he first walks the streets of Athens and sees the altar to an unknown God. Paul starts his speech with many compliments towards the religious worship of the lost Athenians, then he says, in Acts 17:23...

"For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you."

I feel so strongly that if ministers would follow the example of Paul and others, start with love and end with love, even when you have to tell men to stop having sex with their father's wives, what a better witness we'd be of the love of Christ, which is what it's supposed to be about, isn't it? If we could only have the enthusiasm of the Woman at the well....running into town and proclaiming, "I met a man who told me everything about myself!" I can't imagine her joy at finding such love...Fr Ambrose in THI reminds me of these examples.

I am glad I took the time to take a second look into your wonderful book! Georgia

earthlover wrote 7 days ago

Okay...I am so glad I decided to read through this gem of a book again. Tonight I read through chapter three and found myself loving Ambrose's take on Dawkins and the Gospel. "Here I am, send me." Beautiful!

PTingen wrote 7 days ago

I'm about a third of the way through The Holy Innocents and am greatly enjoying it! I'm not too bothered by the language as that is certainly how many people talk, so it's very realistic. Some of the sexual connotations, while hilarious, might not be as necessary? (But I will admit to laughing out loud at the bird-tits and the "hand-job".) I agree with others' comments that the Fr. is a very interesting mix of naivety and great wisdom. I think you've done an amazing job of making him believable despite those great contrasts. I look forward to reading more!

Blessings!

Patti

D. S. Hale wrote 7 days ago

The dialogue is refreshing and enjoyable! Oh, if only Agatha hadn't died! I love the start of the novel, and liked her very much! I even loved the way she died! Then, he gets robbed. I loved the way he handled it, and how it ended! I love your writing style, and your sense of humor. I will leave a critique for each chapter I read. This has been well edited. Great job!

Sincerely,
D. S. Hale
Jessup and the Teleporter

Jonie M. Julan wrote 7 days ago

This is Christian lit forum review:
I just finished reading your first chapter. You followed the fundamental rule of beginning your story on the day when everything is different, and plunge right into the internal conflict of your MC. Agatha had a lot of personality as well. I would recommend that you simply say the mugger cursed, rather than actually writing it out. I'm not sure I've ever seen profanity in a hard copy of a Christia fiction novel before. It might be seen as offensive by your target audience.
Jonie - Leave Me Asking

scargirl wrote 8 days ago

great premise. interesting characters. good story building...
j
what every woman should know

ertausch wrote 9 days ago

Dear Fr. Ambrose:

I am a newcomer to Authonomy (this week). I ran into your book through the purely coincidental similarity of your title and mine. I have not read such needle-sharp satire since P.G. Wodehouse, Saki, and Oscar Wilde. The names of most of your menagerie are as Dickensian as are their characters. You have a genius for the one-liner. I left the (American) Episcopal Church because of all of the same tendencies which you skewer in the C of E, without your ability to turn it into humor. Wish I had known someone like Agatha, and miss her already. For that matter your book, and wondering about its possible conclusion, has haunted me for days. Your protagonist's love, and your wit, shine forth on every page. I would buy and cherish the book if you hurry and finish it. The moment you have, I will give it six stars.

Now for the quibbles: Tenses are mixed in one paragraph. I wish your chapters were longer, or combined where possible; such frequent scene changes are a bit distracting. Also, you show contempt for no one without ample cause, with one exception: a minor character (a page or two) who adds nothing to the story, is ridiculed merely because he is an American, a worn-out habit among you Brits. You named him Beauregard T. Pettigrew after two of the most revered generals of the South -- a trick of the old London music-halls. Besides, his only buffoonery is mistaking KY Jelly for a condiment, in a pharmacy (chemist's to you) at that. Every American know what the stuff is. Far below your usual standard of satire. Surely we Americans do funnier things than that.

On a personal note, I wish you would read my book (complete), as it badly needs the sober criticism of a well-educated clergyman whose deeply Christian beliefs, such as yours, I respect. Indeed, I would truly appreciate a longer and stricter critique than would fit in Authonomy, if you could write a separate letter to me by e-mail.

Egon Richard Tausch
A Voice In Rama: A Novel of the Slaughter of the Innocents

Nathan Maki wrote 12 days ago

Hi there, I'm here to read and comment as promised, though a bit delayed.

I think the sentence, "My sister Agatha had always said I could burn water, but she was wrong. I'd just proved it." Could be clearer if you simply said, "My sister Agatha had always said I could burn water, but I'd just proved her wrong."

I found Agatha's comments were quite irreverent, but not just irreverent, down-right rude. Lacing her speech with words like arse (which is considered vulgar, at least here in N. America) doesn't make her sound any more godly than the people that she's criticizing. I find it hard to believe that a priest would accept so readily such scathing denunciation of all the leadership of his church. If Father Ambrose agrees with her then why would he be a priest in that church? And if he disagrees why doesn't he have the backbone to tell her so. The fact he's dying laughing at the spiritual authority in his life doesn't speak highly of him either. Even David refused to touch King Saul, even when he was obviously not right with God, simply because Saul was the Lord's annointed at one point in time and an authority figure.

I also found the whole description of the robbery to be rather unrealistic. Few if any people would react so calmly to being mugged. Fewer still would be so calm as to fall asleep on a bench in the very same park right after. And even fewer would then invite a homeless man home with them that same night too. To me Father Ambrose doesn't feel real. He doesn't react to the mugging, the homeless man, or any of it like I would expect a real person to.

I would also like more detail about the homeless man's reaction to Father Ambrose's invitation home. I would expect shocked disbelief, but we see and hear nothing from the man. It's as if he's just a place-holder, there to show the sudden change in Father Ambrose, rather than a real person.

Sorry if this critique seems overly critical, there is good here, and I like the idea of confronting the apathy that's apparent in many churches in Christendom today. We certainly do need to reach out to those who are marginalized, or we're no better than the Pharisees of Jesus' day. I just think that your critique, if it is to be accepted, must also be with a degree of grace, and I hope to find that more in the book as I go on.

All the best,

Nathan Maki - A War Within

BradyHardin wrote 13 days ago

The voice of your characters crack me up. Ambrose is a riot, especially in the mugging in the first chapter.

I enjoy your style.

Grey Muir wrote 17 days ago

Hi, Fr. Ambrose.
Interesting to have yourself in the story as the main character.
I picked your novel off the list on the Christian Lit Forum. Hope my comments help. Feel free to use and discard what you wish.

I have a comment on your first sentence:
“My dear sister Agatha had always said I could burn water, but she was wrong. I’d just proved it.” If he proved he could burn water, then she wasn’t wrong. Unless what she said was that the only thing he “couldn’t” burn was water. I’d suggest changing it one way or the other.

I am not familiar with the term “po-faced”. Can you explain? It may help to do so in the story, too.

When Agatha says,“He’s the Captain Scott of theological discovery.” I’d suggest adding, “… , referring to a nautical adventurer who had reached the south pole, only to discover he was too late, and someone had beaten him to it first.” The average reader may not be aware of that name.

Not realizing she’d had a heart attack is good. In a universe as ours, I can see that as a probable event. Funny and sad.

Semi-colon humor – very “punctual”. I decided I like Agatha.

I like “…the modern Church of England has the largest group of invertebrates outside the London Zoo.” An obvious reference to a lack of backbone. Is this however perhaps overly critical of an existing denomination?

Chapter 3 - Talking about atheists “Atheists seem too be too much like…” The first “too” I believe should be “to”.

At the end of Chapter3 - Ambrosius contra mundum. – shouldn’t you explain this Latin to a lay reader? Are you refering to "Athanasius Contra Mundum"? I think I read he was also called Ambrosius. If it is a name, should it be capitalzed?

Chapter 4 – Is this a speculative novel of a future Universal church, or a future Anglo-Catholic Church? This is a fictitious church, isn't it?

Chapter 5 – Very funny remarks by Father Ambrose about the hookers when they approached him. The humor is enjoyable.

Your quote: “Had Fr. Mackonochie lived and died for nothing? And what of all those then and since whose…” Suggest adding comas – “and what of all those then, and since, whose…” PS – I looked up the good father. Reading about him was very interesting.

An excellent and humorous end to chapter 5.

To say Fr. Ambrose is a little naïve and isolated from the world is an understatement. The humorous way it is presented is a definite plus. His ending up inside a trash bin was hilarious.

Dave’s description is very good and gives me a vision of his appearance. The main character is certainly a victim of circumstance, and naivity.

This chapter (9) is pretty earthy. Very natural for non-believers. The book will be adult targeted I see. It does define the fallen state man finds himself in.

For a crazy man, Fr. Ambrose has some deep insights. We do need better sowers. But we all need to be sowing. I myself am a rotten sower as Ambrose says he is.

Chapter 10 – Sounds like a universal church. Shirley says, “Plenty of our clergy don’t know much theology at all.” The humor makes me think of “Stranger in a Strange Land, by Heinlein.

Ouch. Chapter 10 is revealing at its end. How the greater desire is to use someone coming for help as a tool. Good intro to Bill though.

I note many of the chapters end hanging. I like that. Makes you want to read the next chapter.

I especially like the humor, and some of the deep comments strike home well. Fr. Abrose generates sympathy with the reader. Good story. Thanks for putting it up to be read.

Freddie Omm wrote 17 days ago

the failed muggee has an epiphany!

i liked the narrative bit about keble although again it felt slightly left of field. this is engaging.

Freddie Omm wrote 18 days ago

if you started it with the fourth para it would be a better start, i tnink.

not v keen on your pitch. "modern" church? i think, actually, you could q easily make it much better. "lost his marbles" comes across left of field - maybe patter than your book requires.

ozhm wrote 20 days ago

This is one of the best I’ve found on autho. It has everything. It’s beautifully written and polished, it’s clever and funny, and at the same time, it delivers a serious punch regarding the disparities so depressingly common between organised religion and Christianity.

In the circumstances, if Fr Ambrose’s innocence, the Bishop’s and Archdeacon’s Machiavellianism and the situations in which they find themselves are slightly over the top (well...more than slightly in some cases), this is a smart move and not a drawback. You won’t get the message across by being subtle.

There are so many things to love, here. The wit, obviously. Agatha’s last conversation with Ambrose made me laugh out loud, and I forced myself to read slowly so that I didn’t miss any one-line gems further on. The MCs are all beautifully three-dimensional (even the Bishop’s third dimension is noticeable by its absence), and the walk-ons all have personality. (I loved the Grace from the waitress in Starbucks.) I’ll be interested to see what happens to Freddy, Mike and Jack.

In contrast to this, Fr Ambrose’s reflections and ministry are seriously impressive. To me, the sermon at the end of Ch28 says it all.

I did notice a few things that might be worth checking. In Ch2, the Bishop and the Archdeacon are at a loss as to how get rid of Fr Ambrose, until the Archdeacon says ‘Suppose we determine that Smith is the problem...’ This solution doesn’t quite ring true to me. I know they’re purveyors of b/s, but even so.

In Ch11 – ‘We got to the Stalinist-style block of flats when two bloated teenage boys...were walking along...’ I think the tenses need attention.

‘...each plant was in a wide variety of containers...’ – spreads one plant through several containers.

Despite the sermon, Molly’s insights in Ch28 seemed a bit too slick to ring completely true. I needed more sense of her growing awareness – or alternatively, an epiphany of the blinding-light variety.

But these nitpicks are minor. Lots of stars from me, and it will be on my shelf as soon as I have room.
Helen Meikle
Six Weeks in Summer.

FRAN MACILVEY wrote 21 days ago

Dear Fr Ambrose

I have read, with growing pleasure, the first three chapters of your wonderful book. I fully intend to read more when time permits.

In the meantime allow me to tell you how much I enjoy the tone of your work, its humour laced with compassion and wry observation. Your appealing characters feel as if they inherit the tradition of P G Wodehouse. There is nothing I enjoy so much as a dalliance with everyday eccentricity. Your insightful writing is laced with gentle philosophy. I particularly like the line, "in any case this suffering world is crying out for a demonstration of the love and power of God, not a debate about His existence from our respective comfort zones."

I wish you very well with this book. Highly rated.

Fran Macilvey, "Trapped" :-))

Juliet Ann wrote 24 days ago

I've read seven chapters of this now. The Father is a very funny characters, though his naivety is beginning to stretch credibility (the dustbin scene in particular). Your writing is witty and accomplished. I did find, chapter 3 a little slow (more sermon than story), but the pace picks up again after this - I want to see the ideas in chap 2 played out in the actions of the clergy (rather than told it). I think what is lacking for me is development - it is a series of one liners and slapstick and I don't feel the Father is a real characters (that I can empathise with) rather he is the butt of jokes. This starts out as satire of the modern church (that puts appearance before substance). The Bishop is appearance and Father Ambrose is the substance - but I feel it is losing its way slightly in the attempt to get laughs. Juliet

Cait wrote 25 days ago

The Unholy Innocents:

So sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

As I don’t read pitches, when I first saw the title of this, I wasn’t sure what to expect, but was pleasantly surprised to find it quite a humourous read.

Some weeks ago, I had made notes on two chapters but when I went to retrieve them just now I couldn’t find the Word doc where I had them. The one feeling I did have about the first chapter, though, is that I would’ve liked to have met Agatha before she died as, for me anyway, it lessens the impact knowing ahead what happens to characters.

When I get a bit more time, (I’m way behind in returning reads…) I’ll come back and hopefully remember the sections where I’d made notes.

Fr. Ambrose reminds me of a real life priest in Ireland, who loves his Guinness, and was ‘sent away’ from the parish last year. He had a meeting with the bishop and turned up tiddly. He was a real character and apparently, depending on who he talked to, cursed like a trooper. A very popular priest with the parishioners he was. There’s a photo of him on Facebook dancing with me and a few others at my niece’s wedding. Mind you, we were ‘all’ a bit tiddly…

I’ve starred this well, and you will be shelved soon.

Cáit :o) ~ Reminiscing ~

Juliet Ann wrote 25 days ago

I'm always in awe of writers who manage to pull off witty comedy. I've tried and failed many times. In Father Ambrose you have achieved this. So far I have only read the opening two chapters, but I just had to commend you on making me laugh with the failed mugging and play on words (though I have no idea what a biretta is, I got the joke). I have to say the opening to chapter one didn't immediately engage me, I wonder whether having Father Ambrose out on his insomniac stroll, might be a better place to start (the stuff about his sister could come after). With writing such as this, every sentence must hit its mark and though I think on whole you do, there are some areas that could be tweaked/ tightened. I will read on and come back with thoughts (if I have anymore :) Juliet

Fr. Ambrose wrote 27 days ago

Fr. Ambrose,

I have read two of your chapters. I came across some very offencive language. Could you please note such language in your discription, please. I wouldn't expect such language from a priest.

The rest of the story was well written. Who is your audience? Do you plan to seek publication by Zondervan? Zondervan is unlikely to read such a story. They would probably reject your story. If you seek other publication, check out the other threads. You would have a better response. Despite the language I noted, you write very well.

Don R. Budd



The story is classified on Authonomy as "ADULT". As far as I know, there is no other classification.

I wrote it for adults. Many of the adults I mix with as a priest talk like that. I don't. Perhaps if you had read further you would have noticed that the MC and all of the nice people in the book don't use strong language. Some of those nice, well-spoken people are real villains.

The MC is facing the world as it is while retaining his faith, integrity and innocence, and somehow making a difference in the lives of those he touches. Something I would hope that all Christians aspire to do, though they may fail by being put off by the dreadful people Our Lord calls and associates with.

Father Ambrose

DoninMich wrote 27 days ago

Fr. Ambrose,

I have read two of your chapters. I came across some very offencive language. Could you please note such language in your discription, please. I wouldn't expect such language from a priest.

The rest of the story was well written. Who is your audience? Do you plan to seek publication by Zondervan? Zondervan is unlikely to read such a story. They would probably reject your story. If you seek other publication, check out the other threads. You would have a better response. Despite the language I noted, you write very well.

Don R. Budd

iandsmith wrote 27 days ago

Congratulations, Fr Ambrose, I commented on this 138 days ago and I wasn’t wrong. It’s going places. Well done. - Ian

ReconPilot wrote 36 days ago

BLUF: Fantastic work!

I enjoyed reading the first four chapters of The Holy Innocents…a much deeper dive into Authonomy manuscripts then I typically am willing to go. The writing is polished, professional, and fast-paced. It’s witty, and kept my interest. I was reminded of The Screwtape Letters… The Holy Innocents is like C.S. Lewis with an edge. I suspect this work would be best enjoyed/understood by people familiar with the Bible and concerned about the Church becoming more a business organization than the Body of Christ. I see the satire aimed directly at some people and some attitudes within the Church…not at the world outside. I’m reminded of Jesus’ admonition to the Apostles: “Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees.” As it turns out in The Holy Innocents, a little yeast is seen to go a long way. I think Ambrose sums up his feelings on the topic quite well with this fantastic passage in Chapter 3:

“I thought to myself that the Church seems like the awkward child in the playground trying to keep in with the cool kids to avoid the attention of the schoolyard bullies. We fear the contempt and derision of the powerful and sophisticated. We accept their certainties, share their doubts and mock their enemies. We dance to their tune. We flush with toe-curling pleasure at even the smallest amount of interest they show. We cringe before the onslaught of the secularists in all walks of modern life, like that very clever Mr. Dawkins. Personally, I don’t believe in Mr. Dawkins. I think he’s only something God made up. In any case, this suffering world is crying out for a demonstration of the love and power of God, not a debate about His existence.”

Evangelicals would shout, “Amen” to that snippet. There are many more jewels to be mined in the manuscript. Ambrose’s satire points out the love affair than can exist in some churches between the ins—those that provide the most financial support and are thus given the “best seats” and the church organization. The outs—those miserable sinners begging for forgiveness and pursuing salvation through Christ, are seen by the church hierarchy as more fodder for a sermon than people to engage.

As far as literary criticism…I have none. The Holy Innocents is a work I would read, enjoy, quote, and study. If I look at the bit I read while keeping in mind what experts on publishing (the ones I’ve read) might say…perhaps one thing. One of the chapters consists of an existential conversation between the Bishop and the Archdeacon. Ambrose might get criticized for a “talking head” passage…all dialogue, little or no action. I was comfortable with the passage though, and enjoyed confirmation of what I expected of the two given Ambrose’s reference to them on earlier pages.

The sophistication employed by Ambrose in pointing out the difference between what Jesus intended of the Church and where it’s going today might be lost on the majority of readers. Some of the main characters will resonate with “the world.” Rather than supporting the lifestyle (as the Bishop seems to do with his homage to the world through his popular liturgies), Ambrose seems to espouse, hate the sin, love the sinner. In that vein, Ambrose holds the line…that’s what I think could be lost on folks who applaud inclusion of characters representing a cross section of today’s cultures. In The Holy Innocents, I see the results of the sin of Balaam. I will continue to read the manuscript to see how Ambrose deals with his refugee from a church that very clearly has lost its first love.

Painted Pony wrote 38 days ago

HI there,
I have read the first 14 chapters of this story, and yes, I like it, very much so!
The characters are well-fleshed, the dialogue is witty and fairly easy to follow (accents confused me at times), and I am truly drawn into this journey Ambrose is taking. I love how the true beauty of Christ is sprinkled about in a no nonsense, yet not preachy manner.

There are very few books on this site that I have read to completion for various reasons..one being.my attention span is rather short and if I am not immediately hooked, I just can't invest the time of readng an entire book. But your book is one that I will continue to follow, and possibly back once I have read more.

My only suggestion would be to have a short glossary somewhere in the book that explains the meanings of the religious terminology you use. I felt ignorant about so many things that are mentioned as being a part of Amborse's worship experience.

Good luck with this, and I am excited to read more asap! Blessings, Ruby

Painted Pony wrote 40 days ago

Have read 7 chapters..enjoying this journey. Highly starred...will return! Ruby

Mark Cain wrote 40 days ago

Funny and sweet. Also well-written. It has a 19th Century quality until it hits you "up side the head" with a modern dilemma of the Catholic Church. Irreverent reverence. I can see why you thought I'd like it.

My bookshelf is currently full with strong books I really believe in, so I have no room at present for this. Even though it's not my normal reading genre, I like it. The best I can do for now is give it high stars and keep it watch listed.

Best,

Mark

Painted Pony wrote 40 days ago

This is the 3rd time I have tried to write this- my computer keeps messing up. Quickly- I like this. Good flow, good pace, humor is a nice touch, engaging the reader further. I will continue reading...and send something to your message now to see if my computer will be more reliable letting me post there without scrolling off and losing the post:) Ruby

Sandie Zand wrote 47 days ago

I see you've changed the opening - it's good, like it - the time away was well spent then!

Where you go into the conversation with Agatha prior to her death I think you should lose all those "had said" tags and just do it ordinarily - "she said" etc. It makes for clumsy reading with the "had"s and isn't at all necessary... just stick an extra line space before you go into the "now two weeks' later..." bit.

Will read more when I have more time. Just thought I'd pop you back on my shelf for a bit.

earthlover wrote 52 days ago

Just finished all you have up here. I loved it when your MC said, "I don't know why, Maggie..." He's a good guy, that Fr Ambrose dude. He makes me smile!

4wardassociates wrote 53 days ago

You definitely want to keep reading about Fr. Ambrose's adventures: the gospel for today's world of complacents and Pharisees. The problems in Ambrose's diocese are problems throughout the church today.

If there's a criticism, more like a suggestion, it would be that we don't get a hint at Fr. Ambrose's reaching out to meet the emotional, spiritual needs of the least, last or lost (the 'walking wounded' as defined in this book). There's a bit with a mugger where the good Father wants to do right by his assailant and fears he's bungled it. However, with a key turning point of inviting a homeless chap, our future migrant-priest (Y'shua/Jesus today who had no place to call home too) suddenly and quickly invited him home, providing for the person's physical needs. I would have loved to have seen/heard some banter between Ambrose and this person as a tickler for what would later come. We early on hear how Agatha might do it with her sassiness, but we're not allowed to see an emerging new Ambrose. He appears quickly in chapter 2 as evident by the Archdeacon's and Bishop's conversation about how Ambrose is attracting the indigent. How? What is attracting them? Is it only the proffering of food and shelter? I believe there's more. In the later chapters, we get to see Ambrose's interactions where the others enjoy his charm and his sincere care and love for them.

Scott
Servant Leadership Practice: 40 Days...

Dianna Lanser wrote 54 days ago

Father Ambrose,

I read through chapter seven of your book and found that beyond it’s (hopefully) exaggerated satire is a very pointed message to some (not all) sadly misdirected Christian churches.

I loved what you said in chapter three. With the beginning of the paragraph that starts “My studies during my sabbatical had convinced me…” and the next three chapters convey with absolute clarity this dysfunction within some churches. “The arguments that bore the most weight and carried the day were those taking their cue from attitudes in the secular world, not from Scripture or theology…We are fast becoming the rotary club of prayer. Who would again stand for the Gospel?”

Even though the Vicar was just as willing, his funny and embarrassing epiphany hardly matched the glory that Isaiah had once experienced!

I love the double meaning in Diana’s exclamation, “He’s becoming a fool, for Christ’s sake!”

In chapter five - “Had Fr. Mackonochie lived and died for nothing? And what of all those then and since whose ministries were just as sacrificial…has it all just been foolishness? Here is the heart of the matter! “Yes: as foolish as the broken-hearted Father God who sent His son to seek out His lost children.”

I appreciate the way in which you are facing this issue, it’s much easier for people to see the absurdity of their sin when delivered with humor instead of harsh judgment and finger pointing (although sometimes that is needed.)

I like where I think you are going with this and believe it is a much needed message. But we can’t lose heart. There are literally millions who are doing just what (you?) and Father Ambrose are doing. Highly starred!

Dianna Lanser
Nothing But The Blood

PTingen wrote 56 days ago

Father Ambrose,

I just read the first few chapters of your book. Very enjoyable. The mugging was hilarious! I also liked the part in chapter 2 about "God's walking wounded." Reminds me of my church where all the outcasts are welcomed with open arms. I'll put you on my watchlist. I'd like to come back and read more later.

Blessings!

Patti

wordworker wrote 60 days ago

Ch. 25 Para. 6: You describe Maggie and then repeat "I could see she had changed her clothes for something baggy ..."
And now you're leaving us in tears?
Just as Fr. Ambrose gathered a family around him, he has become part and parcel with my family. Bad place to stop posting, But such a wonderful job.

Joyce ~ Slave to Grace

wordworker wrote 60 days ago

Ch. 23 Para starting, "I looked around at all those who had joined us ..." You've got a space in "Innocents in..." making it, "Innocent sin"

wordworker wrote 60 days ago

Ch. 22, Para. 3 (I'm rolling my eyes here) MASS MURDERER?! hilarious

wordworker wrote 60 days ago

My, My! Aren't we just full of symbolism? Poor Mary, tucked away in a closet just as the "Faith of our Fathers" has been tucked away, out of sight! And here comes our great Man of Montford to rescue her! I love it. It is so reminiscent of Cervantes!

wordworker wrote 60 days ago

Ch. 20 Para. 6: "...up to the top of the waiting list rent an allotment from the council..." is there a word missing here?
"cocking a snook" is a totally foreign phrase to us Yanks ... "giving the finger" would be more common between the two countries. What does "Cocking a snook" mean, anyway?

wordworker wrote 60 days ago

Ch. 19 ... LOL!

wordworker wrote 60 days ago

' "I would like that very much," she said, painting over a particularly stained patch of wall.' Getting symbolic on us, are you? Very nice job of it!

wordworker wrote 60 days ago

Ch. 17, Para. 4: "... but his place could do ..." do you mean "THIS" not "his"?
I am BLESSED to be able to read this great book! What a great call to Holiness is disguised within your humor!

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